Discussion

Jack wants Ne'Os dead. I'll check with Aaron after I find out from Red. Jack and Aaron had a thread. Then Ne'Os as last option.

Well Jess, your right, duels no longer are important here and very difficult to do with the long posts and general lack of interest. So really, both the spell compendium and the tier list just add to our work and are unnecessary.

And idk exactly but... I always do get the feeling that new members whenever they first appear don't seem to know what to do at all... There are several problems with this we could fix, like all the topics crammed in the claims section, but I don't know how to fix it completely.

And about the hogsmeade idea, it would have to be temporary, and we'd have to tell the members that. If they respond to it negatively, they'll know its just for a matter of time, or it will be doomed from the start. I don't want to put such a radical change on them immediately, but I am beginning to see the advantages of the idea thanks to Eli's post. But yes, we need a reason to shove them all there, a realistic reason, not just because Grindelwald said so.

Besides Jack and Vito, I think, but am not quite sure, that Kingsley and ne'os are quite close as well, and seem well suited now that Ne'os is the new head..

Can I just say that it makes me a bit sad, though? I like my personal plots and I know site plots take precidence. I'm not saying that isnt' important, but can we please think about keeping Wizarding World? Not for site plotting but for personal plottiing. I don't mind the change, but I really don't want to entirely lose my characters or the personal plots I have for them. Not entirely.

And are we definitely doing this? I thought we were going to try to follow the site plot out and use the change if the site plot went the way of the Hindenburg and crashed and burned. I really, really want us to try to follow this plot out.

Change is often a very good thing, and I dont' particularly care of my characters work or not. They have enough money that it doesn't matter. But I don't really want to lose my characters or the personal plots I have, and I think that is going to be a top concern of most members.

Can you please clarify that a bit for me?

I actually think that the Hogwarts/Hogsmeade change should not be an end of the month thing, but an end of the plot thing, we can work it in IC - Elves are all freed by Grindy as his final act to destroy part of Hogwarts and many are rehired elsewhere before anything can happen.

My argument to that is that we can have a lot of fun with the new roles and whatnot. Whilst shops in Diagon Alley may close, new ones would open in Hogsmeade which would be open to more activity (particularly if we made the village open to students permanently [More realistic than travelling across the country imo]). St Mungos would be abandoned by again, more activity would happen in the Hospital Wing because you'd have both students and grads there. The Wizengamot would be relatively the same - but it's been little more than a title for quite awhile now, nothing happens with it. And the aministrative arms of the Ministry would be more condensed, but would exist still, and really - that's what we need. A more condensed workforce rather than 3 different departments which are all barely scraping any activity, that's the thing I like about this idea - everyone would be posting together again so the OOC bonds would be sure to be raised, rather than the cliques of student and grad which at least partially exist right now, and activity should rise owing to the expansion of people to RP with, and the appearance of activity in such a condensed environment drawing in new members and encouraging existing ones to post more. That's just how I see it.

My solution would actually be to slowly bring it to light, start by expanding one section of Hogsmeade now - say... I dunno, the shops, then leave the site as it is. Next the Order could be relocated - the massive security breaches of so many people not turning up but being privvy to the fidelius charm, as well as Jess' need to have something closer to the school would give a basework for them to shift there. Same can be said for Malfoy Manor, we're overlooking that as part of this plot we're overlooking that there are more Grindy supporters who have access to Malfoy Manor than there are DEs. The alliance with the Order would set the idea that moving closer to them (better striking distance yada yada ya) would be better, and now is the time to make the shift while they have added protection from their strangely found allies. Right there you've got two factions moved there. Next we start culling inactive areas of WWR, such as *Scans index* knockturn alley, and once again expand the Hogsmeade section. It can continue like this for quite awhile and we can just gradually shift.

Of course, as a part of the above scheme I would recommend being upfront to the members about what we're doing, tell them it's gradual, but it is happening, and that it can be managed IC with their advice and cooperation, we can lay out our cards and they can lay theirs out. Admittedly most people will either not have any problem, or will not respond, so if we make it clear that if you don't respond you have nothing to complain about, there shouldn't be any massive problems for the future.

And of course if everyone says no, we don't do it.

Basically, the site's biggest problem as I see it is that now we really do run two completely separate IC sites.The interaction between grads and students is now absolutely zero (And yes, I am guilty of that. I am sorry, it was an idea, and no one on either team stood up and said no to it so I feel that I'm not solely responsible) and the plot needs a lot of member cooperation, something we aren't getting, to create an atmosphere that affects both aspects of the site. Doing this, in my opinion, not only stops this problem by creating a single, incredibly focused area of RPing, but also by solving our problem of "Focusing" on either students or Grads by making them almost a single body of membership.

End of Hogsmeade part of reply

For this next stage of the site plot, I've been in contact with the prefects and we've replaced one (or two?) of them, and have asked them to all be better in communication, and in making their presence known. I've also given them a set of things to do in their roles, so with a little bit of nudging and monitoring I think that we should be able to increase their standing right now.

We've got a set up for the DEs to feel antagonistic against Grindy as a whole. Obviously Ne'os being expelled from his folds is going to have a great affect for this, but for the rest of them we're setting up an external event of Grindy turning DE families' children against the DEs, so, for example, Remy can comment on how the Gibbons are losing control of their children because of gellert.

The order... I still don't know.. we're setting up propaganda, but it's nothing all inclusive as I would like it to be...

PA, I've set up and IC small meeting between Jess, Jack, and a few PA members so we'll have contact in those groups of "Good guys" which is beneficial, we've also got Michael tremaine working with PA so that'll be some guidance for them to do work.


The next step in terms of action would be for Grindy to start cracking down harsher stuff in school. Give Barker more powers and start to actually take students out... like, wound and maim out (it's not like activity in the classes can get any lower, so that's no longer a concern)

The DEs are turned, pretty much, after what happened in the ministry meeting.

On that note, we need a new head of Wizengamot - I propose Vincent Majere.

Sorry, that's all for now, I've gotta run, but that's just my food for thought for now. jess.

i still propose we dash the wizengamot completely for now while grindy is in power. let grindy be the judge and jury and his followers be the executioners, so to speak. if grindy is looking for total power, the wizengamot makes no bloody sense in the site plot until such time as grindy might be ousted. then it could be re-instated.

i'm not looking to stop vincent from having a leading role. he's very capable of carrying one out. i'm fine with that, but i'm just saying that the wizengamot in the current site plot makes no sense.

Jack and Vito will be meeting in Askaban to really start planning a way to get the two factions together. I talked to Madd- she said she would be all for Grindy beginning to win over the DFs, as she and Amy are sort of the driving force. We thought of Grindy forging letters from their parents saying they are supporting Grindy now and refusing their parents contact with their children. The DE parents would be frustrated.

I like it... sorry there isn't much more for me to say that hasn't been said XD I mean... the idea of bringing our focus down more, but still having that interaction that we had before.. it would help to create a unity that we desperately need... umm... -scans Jess's post-

I'm all for maiming and hurting students Give me some of the power lovelies, childrens will be a cryin'

Ummmm... I dunno.. I guess I can just say I'd love to do it, I'd like to see something big change in Hogwarts too though, something more then just letting Felix hurt kiddies... a power shift.. who's the headmaster anyway? Maybe they should kinda.. jump into the action and do something.. or.. or... get fired.... and someone else steps up, someone like.. I dunno.. Felix? Who would rule the school no longer fearing for his reputation, because by that point, everyone would know he's a lying, cheating traitor who tortures students..

In the books, their focus was Hogwarts, for good reason too... if you control Hogwarts, you control who will be in charge... I feel like this implies a lot more in the wizarding world then in RL, because England has ONE main school.. one school, all of their children in that school are learning the same things.. what they know.. will impact what they do with that knowledge.. if they are all brainwashed into thinking Grindy's way is best... then they will all support him after they leave school...

oohhh I just forgot the next thing I was gonna say -thinks-

oh, and I don't see why we need to hire whoever for wizangamot quite yet... simply because we don't use it.. like for real... when Felix was in Azkaban.. he went inactive... totally and completely, because there was NOTHING to do with it.. his trial was slow, and his time in azkaban took MONTHS to get done.. soooo.... I like having it THERE... because then we can throw people in.. but we don't' need the whole trial system.. just tell them what the trial came out to and done..

k.. I had my word XD peace out home dawgs

Ok, I think that I know a way to create that tension in Hogwarts.

Think of a reason why Doyle can't be sacked, whether it be that it'd create a staff shortage (they'd lose 3, maybe 4 of the staff if Doyle was sacked) or something else. That way Doyle can cause havock and the teachers can operate freely without too much fear of being sacked, thus creating conflict.

At the same time Doyle can't expel the bad grads in the school so there's gonna be more conflict there, and Grindy supporters can still be violent to students.

So we have violence and a massive, massive conflict in the school.

Jess.

Realistically, or according to canon at least, the interaction between graduates and students should be almost zero. So its not really that big of a problem, or would not be if we had the members to run both IC settings. Since we don't, my first solution would be to focus on students and limit places graduates can post rather then simply merging graduates and students.

Because I thought about the pros and cons about your idea Jess, and in the end its a bit risky. I'm sure it will be a treat for most members, but some won't like it. I know if I roleplayed I wouldn't like it cause I prefer a canon setting. new members too, I think, wouldn't like the hogsmeade idea, simply because it would be too confusing for them to understand why graduates and students are posting together at Hogwarts. And in the end, Hogsmeade just isn't a very big place to post, eventually the members will get bored, and we will add new forums for them to post, and we'll have the same setting we have now... It could be a plot event for a month or two, but nothing permanent please.

As for the Wizengamot, i disagree with you guys, I think they are just as useless as the other departments. If the other departments are there because their jobs are fun to roleplay, then they should all be removed. What do the aurors do? And Control of Magical Creatures is hardly the most interesting department :/ So yeah, most jobs are only there as a title, you don't actually do anything. And by the way, trials usually used to go quite well, with a lot of people posting there. The problem now is that all our role-plays are plotted beforehand and the posts very long, so the trial isn't interesting, since you already know whats going to happen. Its the same problem with duelling.

This is a true fact, but this isn't canon, as you said, and we do not have the members to run both IC settings, especially where there are slight overlaps as to when the interact (particularly battles and holiday settings.)

Personally I think we've reached a point where we can't just destroy the grads altogether, or simply try and stamp them out of existence as it appears you may be trying to do, which is why I personally would prefer the alternative of limiting their space of RP (By putting them in Hogsmeade) and also merging them with the students for either set occasions, or for a more permanent feel. There would still be a level of distinction between the two groups, students would live at the castle and grads would live in Hogsmeade, and there would be things that affect the village but not the castle and vice versa. But with the site as it is I think that we need to change something, and even if we do get more than 2000 posts this month, it's been lousy for a long time now so we need to focus on at least making it more enjoyable for the members. This is something I believe would do that. A new setting, new roles for members to fill and a new feel of comradery throughout the site would be beneficial and would come as a result of what I'm suggesting, I think.

I personally disagree with most of your points there, but I do agree that the lack of canon locations may scare newer members a little. But have you not, for the past god-knows-how-long been complaining at how few new members we're pulling right now? Evidently the setting we have now, whether it's the one we revert to or the one we discard on what we believe is a permanent basis, is not working.

I also think that it'd be less confusing for newer members by having RPing in one location, rather than spread out across London, and also less confusing if they're able to pick any member to RP with, rather than just one from each group.

Also, Hogsmeade is canon, you're treating it as though we'd be pulling locations out air, and while that is the truth for some of the faction areas, such as the Ministry Order and DEs, not many people like those positions as you quite frequently point out to us, so that shouldn't be too big a deal, and the order and DE thing wont push new members away because they wont be able to see it unless they actually join the faction.

And I also think that the Wizengamot are boring. i'd like to see a bigger emphasis on Aurors, have them actually have a bit of focus, so whilst I propose an alternative to the Wizengamot, I wouldn't be saying it's the only one there, I think you misunderstood me on that matter. That's why i want to condense it a bit, so that we can focus on making jobs more than a title, but with the current levels we have now - the shitload in the ministry, diagon alley, hogsmeade, hogwarts, and all around London it's hard to do anything with any of the jobs because there are so few people in each of them.

I also don't care much for trials, I never said they were popular, but they do provide an option for those who would be interested in it, or at least a rank for the lower ranking members to feel good about.