Re: "Every true man is a cause, a country, and an age."

by Gabriel J. Short III Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:37 am

Audriana seemed only too relieved to have someone who apparently felt the same way she did. As she spoke, Kip's eyes ever so briefly met Gabby's, and a knowing look passed between them. Kip leaned back in his seat, settling into the position of the quiet observer. Gabby was investigating one side, but Kip did not necessarily want to close himself off so soon. He wanted this discussion to continue - it was very telling of the current status quo.

Teddy Lupin had been listening in silence, watching Gabby nod along with Audriana, listening in interest to the discussion going between Selwyn and Oliver. He blinked and found that it was time he put his two cents in. "Obviously, I sound a bit biased. But I don't think Robert is exactly the problem."

"But the Ministry is out of hand," Gabby pointed out.

"Not of Robert's accord," Kip spoke, finally interjected. "If you look at his policy, he's fairly solid."

"But the Ministry is out of whack," Gabby argued. "He's lost control. Maybe it's time he stepped out."

Kip looked to Teddy, feeling like they felt the same. The Ministry needed to change, but they were looking at the wrong man to take out.

by Selwyn Thorfinn Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:42 am

"You're right, you sound biased," Selwyn agreed with the Lupin boy. "And naive."

"Has it occurred to any of you that a policy is just a statement of intention?" his eyes passed from Teddy to Kip and to Oliver in turn.

"Now, I have nothing against Robert Lupin, except that he's always telling us what he'll deliver this time and it never happens."

"He might have the best of intentions, or he might just be a powerhungry little shite - and personally, I'm banking on the second one - but basing your judgements on his public policy is a supremely stupid way of coming to any kind of conclusion since he doesn't actually have to deliver on any of it."

"Muggles have this thing called democracy," he went on, hoping to give them some breathing space.

by **Teddy R. Lupin** Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:11 am

Teddy clenched his jaw as Selwyn spoke, but he kept his eyes forward, on Audriana and Oliver, wanting them to continue speaking. He was not one for confrontation, and he had no plans to fight the Thorfinn chap if he didn't have to.

Gabby noticed Kip's lip twitch, seemingly in amusement or perhaps approval, and he arched an eyebrow. "So, who is enforcing the bullshit that's rolling out of the Ministry?" Gabby asked. "Two-fold problem, yeah? Weeding out whoever is screwing us all, and then getting someone in there who can actually run a government." He looked about, certain that they had come to a consensus.

by **James S Potter** Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:43 pm

Entrance Stuffs -- don't really need to read but James woke up Walburga so there was a noise:

When the living room door opened, Eleanor Williams looked up from her nails which she’d been inspecting while the bickering had been going on. Her hand dropped down onto the arm of the chair she’d taken upon arrival when she saw exactly who strode in, as though he’d never left, pausing to hold the door open for the harried, white witch who entered with coffee in hand. James Potter walked in and immediately deposited himself on the stool beside Ellie’s chair, nonchalantly passing her a smile as she stared, open-mouthed, at him.

Alice moved a little more tactfully, picking out the floorboards that wouldn’t squeak and came to stand by Ollie, setting his cup down by his chair before righting herself and taking a greedy sip to stagger her nerves.

“I take it you woke the harpy,” Ellie offered, passing him a smirk. “Miss harassing her, did you?”

“Missed you the most,” James replied with a grin before casting his eyes about the room. “What am I behind on?” He asked her. Ellie rolled her eyes at him and didn’t dignify him with an answer. “Oh, lots then,” James deduced optimistically.

The wizard then glanced over at Teddy, offering his godbrother a hesitant smile. He had no idea what the Lupin man would make of this.

by Naomi Mulciber Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:36 pm

Oliver nearly felt bad for what Alice had walked into, but he passed her a grateful smile nonetheless, passing his hand over her back in silent greeting before he had to turn back and figure out how to handle the people in front of him.

"Let's be realistic here. We've never done it like a democracy, and this probably wouldn't be the first time someone has suggested it," Oliver pointed out, his tone already starting to sound weary. "I think Kip's got it right, though. Someone in the Ministry is messing up, but just because a leader puts forth a desired result in a speech or writing... that doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen. There are a number of people who could be getting in the way - from lawyers to Wizengamot members."

Audriana lifted an eyebrow at this but allowed anyone who might wish to speak to do so while she considered the possibility of the problem really having come from that group. The wheels in her head were turning, and while Tobias saw it, he thought it probably wouldn't be wise to call her on it. Not with the debate they already had going on.

"Aud," Oliver sighed finally, "If you are really intent on doing something about Robert, or about bringing the Muggles in, you won't find any support from me. Revolution...? That isn't the point of this group. The Order was founded to protect those who can't protect themselves. The point is to stop a war, not create one. The point is to.. to be the good guys - and not for the sake of calling ourselves that. But to ensure that what most of society would consider 'good' wins. I'm sorry," he added, addressing the others in the room, "but if her desire to throw everything into madness is something that you are comfortable with, I'm not entirely sure it belongs here."

by Selwyn Thorfinn Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:33 pm

"Let's be realistic here," Selwyn imitated Oliver's tone. "Just because you use the words doesn't mean that's what you're doing. What you're really doing is setting yourself up to undermine the leadership of The Order."

He straightened, using his full height to its full advantage.

"Slytherin, remember? We notice things like that."

"Audriana brought her grievances up in front of everyone. I don't think anyone here is in any doubt about her opinion, or what she thinks the best course of action is for both muggles and wizards. But you just keep talking about how we shouldn't listen to her because revolution is bad and you're the good guy."

"How exactly are you good? What do you think good is, if not supporting the downtrodden masses? I think maybe you're not all for the good, maybe you're all for getting rid of an inconvenient co-leadership."

by Naomi Mulciber Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:53 pm

Oliver frowned darkly at the insinuation presented by Selwyn, and although he understood that his words could be taken that way, Oliver had always been better with writing things down, and he wasn't convinced that it was going to change any time soon. Alice could attest to that, he supposed, but there wasn't any point in saying so, now.

"That isn't what I was trying to say. It's possible for you to read into the other half of what I said, however, and understand what I meant. Leaders can say things but not fulfill those promises. It's entirely plausible. And that's what's going to happen if we say we're going to take Robert out. That's going to take more than some complaining, especially since most of our society supports him and supports the Ministry. Ministry employees are not going to back us if we want to take it down and try to build it up again. It makes way more sense to come at this rationally, and take the time to investigate things before we just have after our Minister or his employees."

Audriana rolled her eyes, pushing off of her chair. "Fine, Oliver. How about this? You do things your way, but if you can't accomplish anything in, let's say, two weeks, then I get to try things my way. With or without you. Whoever wants to help me, you're welcome to. But I don't refuse you a chance Oliver, if you intend to take it seriously."

"I can understand you impatience. After everything that's happened, I can. So if you want to come up with a backup plan, be my guest. But unless people want to help me with figuring this out, perhaps we should call this meeting done." Oliver shrugged. There was little else he could accomplish with Audriana and those who held the same opinion, if they refused to consider another way of going about it. "If we fail, you guys can try things your way."

by Gabriel J. Short III Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:11 am

Gabby squinted between Selwyn and Oliver, feeling a little bad for the latter. He knew where the man's heart was at, but the Order had always been just a little apathetic. Even Jack had struggled to get them off their arses to do anything of value. Now that things were finally getting interesting, someone needed to be willing to do something. Anything.

But there was always someone unwilling to put their neck out.

Gabby turned to Audriana, giving her a quick wink to say he understood her. He tilted his head back to Oliver, his eyes catching Kip, who was clearing sitting this round out. Teddy was still moping a bit at having been treated like a victim of nepotism. Leaving Gabby to speak with reason - what was the state of things if that's where they were at?

"I'm sorry, but... what exactly is your way?" Gabby asked Oliver. "All we've talked about is what won't work. What's your plan?"

by Naomi Mulciber Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:25 am

Oliver could concede the fact that he had not explained his plan aloud. That much was his fault. So he nodded, sinking down onto the arm of the couch, catching the curious look that Tobias sent his way. At least Oliver could count on this man, who was clearly pro-Ministry, to consider his plan, even if he didn't agree with it.

"What I'd suggest is sending some people in - perhaps Ministry employees who are there anyway? - to give things a look. If we don't already know where the problem lies, perhaps we should just start in singling out the individual that has been causing the strife. Maybe they're in the Wizengamot. Maybe it's a Death Eater posing as an employee. We can't know. But something has been making Robert's plans go sour, and I doubt it's the man himself," Oliver explained, shaking his head. "For all we know, it's someone outside of the Ministry who has some influence. If we don't know where the problem is, we can't handle it. Intel, for lack of a better word, is the first step. Two weeks," he glanced at Audriana warily, "might be a tough deadline to meet. But if we get a team looking into things, we'll have to find something by then."

Pausing, he looked around the room and added: "Not that we can't try other things in conjunction with that. But somebody's going to have to suggest something. Otherwise, I can't claim to have any better ideas."

by **Teddy R. Lupin** Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:14 pm

Teddy had gotten over the comment about his bias, feeling it was better to duck out then get defensive. His alliance to the Potters was much stronger than his alliance to the Lupins, as he had grown up with the former and never seemed to live up to the latter. His opinions came out of true conviction rather than any sort of loyalty - though he could deny that loyalty might be a small, very small, part of it.

Teddy was glad to see James here. He had hoped his godbrother's return to society would mean that the Potters would get close again. It hadn't exactly, and Teddy had only managed to stay in contact with Lily, but even that had been strained. Teddy returned his smile, wishing things were better.

Kip could see that Gabby was taking the lead with Audriana, leaving Kip to focus on Oliver's plan. It could be interesting, he considered, to have an excuse to delve deeper into the Ministry's inner working. "We could start a paper trail," he suggested. Start something from the lower ranks, some new legislature, and see how it works its way up until someone changes it. A game of telephone, if you will."

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